Hello, I've been slowly trying to teach myself some webdesign and have
an inital client.

Considering: http://townscapes.net/

I'm trying to make the layout more scalable, both in terms of the the
two boxes meeting the footer without white space on the bottom, and in
terms of text filling the boxes more completely. As the user increases
the text size in most modern browsers, either one of the two colums
gets much longer than the other. Problem being that I want to have the
left colum an exact distance from the top of the container and of an
exact width too, so the tuft of gr*** tops it. My attempts to apply a
faux column fill have been failures as well as setting px and em
heights.

I'm also having some trouble with the menu... I want the the <a>
padding to go red on hover, but stay within the white border and also
not dynamically push anything out (this mainly seems to happen in IE6).

And my form doesn't seem to work right either. Am I understanding the
inputs correctly?

Finally, any and all other basic design criticisms would be much
appreicated.

Thanks muchly.

Fleeing from the madness of the http://groups.google.com jungle
two7s_clash <EMAIL REMOVED> stumbled into news:alt.www.webmaster
and said:

> Hello

How do you do?

> I've been slowly trying to teach myself some webdesign and have
> an inital client.

Yahay

> Considering: http://townscapes.net/

ok

> I'm trying to make the layout more scalable, both in terms of the the
> two boxes meeting the footer without white space on the bottom,

Simplest is to consider the background colour of containing/wrapper
elements.


> and in
> terms of text filling the boxes more completely.

If that means what I think it means, then it's probably best forgotten
unless you wish to micromanage every attribute of every page element.

> As the user increases
> the text size in most modern browsers, either one of the two colums
> gets much longer than the other.

This is by design

> Problem being that I want to have the
> left colum an exact distance from the top of the container and of an
> exact width too, so the tuft of gr*** tops it. My attempts to apply a
> faux column fill have been failures as well as setting px and em
> heights.

Setting heights can be problematic but if you must then you could do worse
than look at the splendid primer by Grey Wyvern (bachelor of this parish):
http://www.greywyvern.com/code/min-height-hack.html

> I'm also having some trouble with the menu... I want the the <a>
> padding to go red on hover, but stay within the white border and also
> not dynamically push anything out (this mainly seems to happen in IE6).

menus in general - should probably be marked up as lists.

The trick with avoiding the jumping about is to make sure you don't
specify any extra attributes - just change existing values.

> And my form doesn't seem to work right either. Am I understanding the
> inputs correctly?

don't see a form on that page.

> Finally, any and all other basic design criticisms would be much
> appreicated.

Like the logo, but it is more indicative of a road building company than a
landscape gardener - perhaps.

Markup could be easier to read - helpful when debugging/asking for help on
usenet

does the gr*** image need to be so big/tall?

Oh yes - I'm not a big fan of micro-fonts.

--
William T***o

http://williamt***o.com/words/what-is-usenet.asp

two7s_clash wrote:
> Hello, I've been slowly trying to teach myself some webdesign and have
> an inital client.

See my response to your multipost over at c.i.w.a.s-d:
<EMAIL REMOVED. com>

--
John

your form is a copied cgi script from the net?
i would search for a php form - its pretty easy to find and setup a
basic mail form.

also you can validate fields using javascript to make sure people do
not just press submit without filling in required details ( like i just
did

two7s_clash wrote:
> Hello, I've been slowly trying to teach myself some webdesign and have
> an inital client.
>
> Considering: http://townscapes.net/
>
> I'm trying to make the layout more scalable, both in terms of the the
> two boxes meeting the footer without white space on the bottom, and in
> terms of text filling the boxes more completely. As the user increases
> the text size in most modern browsers, either one of the two colums
> gets much longer than the other. Problem being that I want to have the
> left colum an exact distance from the top of the container and of an
> exact width too, so the tuft of gr*** tops it. My attempts to apply a
> faux column fill have been failures as well as setting px and em
> heights.
>
> I'm also having some trouble with the menu... I want the the <a>
> padding to go red on hover, but stay within the white border and also
> not dynamically push anything out (this mainly seems to happen in IE6).
>
> And my form doesn't seem to work right either. Am I understanding the
> inputs correctly?
>
> Finally, any and all other basic design criticisms would be much
> appreicated.
>
> Thanks muchly.

"liamo" <EMAIL REMOVED> wrote in news:1166441236.818133.279470@
80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com:

> your form is a copied cgi script from the net?
> i would search for a php form - its pretty easy to find and setup a
> basic mail form.
>

PHP, if coded incorrectly, is just as likely (if not more) to be insecure.


> also you can validate fields using javascript to make sure people do
> not just press submit without filling in required details ( like i just
> did

In all likelihood, spam bots do not support javascript. Therefore the form
would still be insecure. Server-side validation is the way to go.



--
Karl Groves
www.karlcore.com

On 16 Dec 2006 16:09:17 -0800, "two7s_clash" <EMAIL REMOVED>
wrote:

>Hello, I've been slowly trying to teach myself some webdesign and have
>an inital client.
>
>Considering: http:// townscapes.net/
Hi

I don't know if you have been playing around with it since you posted
the original message, but the page breaks in IE.

Version IE6 with text set to medium.

The section that has "We are a full service landscaping company that
is licensed and insured." is 90% off page. Okay in Firefox though.

plh
Paul

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Karl Groves wrote:
> "liamo" <EMAIL REMOVED> wrote in news:1166441236.818133.279470@
> 80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com:
>
> > your form is a copied cgi script from the net?
> > i would search for a php form - its pretty easy to find and setup a
> > basic mail form.
> >
>
> PHP, if coded incorrectly, is just as likely (if not more) to be insecure.
>
>

Yes, agreed.

> > also you can validate fields using javascript to make sure people do
> > not just press submit without filling in required details ( like i just
> > did
>
> In all likelihood, spam bots do not support javascript. Therefore the form
> would still be insecure. Server-side validation is the way to go.
>
>
>
I totally agree, the number of times I have noticed where sites have
only used client side validation (or none at all) just astounds me.
--
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two7s_clash wrote:
> Finally, any and all other basic design criticisms would be much
> appreicated.
>
> Thanks muchly.
With regard to William T***o's comment on the logo looking like a road
building company, might I suggest making the green half of the "o" into
a leaf by adding some veins? Either that, or having both sides of the
"o" green...

OR you could see how it looked with both sides black, and the cutout
portion of the "o" green (like a blade of gr*** :-] )

lol i love that - shot down.
well positive is i learned something..

any resources on cgi server side scripts to do with form/validation?
that whole javascript and bots explain alot about my junk folder (sigh)

cheers big fella.



Karl Groves wrote:
> "liamo" <EMAIL REMOVED> wrote in news:1166441236.818133.279470@
> 80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com:
>
> > your form is a copied cgi script from the net?
> > i would search for a php form - its pretty easy to find and setup a
> > basic mail form.
> >
>
> PHP, if coded incorrectly, is just as likely (if not more) to be insecure.
>
>
> > also you can validate fields using javascript to make sure people do
> > not just press submit without filling in required details ( like i just
> > did
>
> In all likelihood, spam bots do not support javascript. Therefore the form
> would still be insecure. Server-side validation is the way to go.
>
>
>
> --
> Karl Groves
> www.karlcore.com