WindsorFox wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> WindsorFox wrote:
>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> WindsorFox wrote:
>>>>> the Omrud wrote:
>>>>>> EMAIL REMOVED had it ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> clams casino wrote:
>>>>>>>> Before you link with any spam - Per THE WEEK =3F 5/25/07, =3FAn
>>>>>>>> analysis
>>>>>>>> by Google found that 10% of all web pages are equipped to secretly
>>>>>>>> download spyware and other malicious code on user=3Fs computers.
>>>>>>>> These
>>>>>>>> downloads can steal login and p***word information, install
>>>>>>>> unwanted
>>>>>>>> bookmarks and toolbars, and even damage operating systems.=3F
>>>>>>> They ain't kidding. Something I downloaded on my daughter's computer
>>>>>>> came secretly equipped with a horrible pest called the "Google
>>>>>>> toolbar".
>>>>>>> I still haven't figured out how to get rid of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Really? It is the most useful add-on I have, and the first thing
>>>>>> I install when building a new PC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's un-necessary junk. There are extensions for Firefox that
>>>>> are far more useful and less "tracking" than anything by google or
>>>>> yahoo. And they are specifically "illegal" in most corporate
>>>>> environments.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I agree with David. Google Toolbar is the most useful
>>>> extension I have. And you can turn off the tracking.
>>>>
>>>> Also, please document where they are specifically "illegal" in most
>>>> corporate environments. I deal with some very large corporations
>>>> (i.e. Fortune 500), and non of them I work with prohibit it's use.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I should say many. It has bad habit of causing trouble with some
>>> proprietary apps we have and pop-up/open windows. Again, programmer
>>> laziness, but the problem is still there. The only thong useful I
>>> ever saw about it was the search box it ads to the browser window and
>>> both FF and IE7 come standard with that.
>>>
>>
>> I'd like you to name some. I don't know of any, myself.
>>
>> As for your proprietary apps - when your programmers are too lazy to
>> do something right, you deserve what happens. Unfortunately, too many
>> companies find it to be a very expensive mistake.
>>
>
> Good lord if you have that much of a love for the little bloat app by
> all freaking means keep it. I know where I am All tool bars including
> google and Yahoo are against the usage policy. I know of quite a few
> other local places like the state and a few big companies. The
> proprietary apps I speak of are not *mine* they are apps like TrackIT
> and Citrix in some configurations and GEMS.
>
> I use synthetic motor oil in my vehicles and I think that the Google
> tool bar is a worthless little piece of ratware and apparently there
> are a couple of groups of people who want to cut my head off for
> daring to suggest either one. Geeze....
>
>

No, it's not your claim that the Google Toolbar is a "worthless little
piece of ratware". Rather, it's your claim:

"And they are specifically "illegal" in most corporate environments.".

When challenged, you modified this to: "I should say many.".

And now you say "quite a few local places list the state and a few big
companies".

Which is it? Let's get some names out, please.

You make wild, unsubstantiated claims and you can expect to be called
for them.

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WindsorFox wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> WindsorFox wrote:
>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> WindsorFox wrote:
>>>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>>>> WindsorFox wrote:
>>>>>>> the Omrud wrote:
>>>>>>>> EMAIL REMOVED had it ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> clams casino wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Before you link with any spam - Per THE WEEK =3F 5/25/07,
>>>>>>>>>> =3FAn analysis
>>>>>>>>>> by Google found that 10% of all web pages are equipped to
>>>>>>>>>> secretly
>>>>>>>>>> download spyware and other malicious code on user=3Fs
>>>>>>>>>> computers. These
>>>>>>>>>> downloads can steal login and p***word information, install
>>>>>>>>>> unwanted
>>>>>>>>>> bookmarks and toolbars, and even damage operating systems.=3F
>>>>>>>>> They ain't kidding. Something I downloaded on my daughter's
>>>>>>>>> computer
>>>>>>>>> came secretly equipped with a horrible pest called the "Google
>>>>>>>>> toolbar".
>>>>>>>>> I still haven't figured out how to get rid of it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Really? It is the most useful add-on I have, and the first
>>>>>>>> thing I install when building a new PC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's un-necessary junk. There are extensions for Firefox that
>>>>>>> are far more useful and less "tracking" than anything by google
>>>>>>> or yahoo. And they are specifically "illegal" in most corporate
>>>>>>> environments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, I agree with David. Google Toolbar is the most useful
>>>>>> extension I have. And you can turn off the tracking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, please document where they are specifically "illegal" in
>>>>>> most corporate environments. I deal with some very large
>>>>>> corporations (i.e. Fortune 500), and non of them I work with
>>>>>> prohibit it's use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I should say many. It has bad habit of causing trouble with some
>>>>> proprietary apps we have and pop-up/open windows. Again, programmer
>>>>> laziness, but the problem is still there. The only thong useful I
>>>>> ever saw about it was the search box it ads to the browser window
>>>>> and both FF and IE7 come standard with that.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd like you to name some. I don't know of any, myself.
>>>>
>>>> As for your proprietary apps - when your programmers are too lazy to
>>>> do something right, you deserve what happens. Unfortunately, too
>>>> many companies find it to be a very expensive mistake.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Good lord if you have that much of a love for the little bloat app
>>> by all freaking means keep it. I know where I am All tool bars
>>> including google and Yahoo are against the usage policy. I know of
>>> quite a few other local places like the state and a few big
>>> companies. The proprietary apps I speak of are not *mine* they are
>>> apps like TrackIT and Citrix in some configurations and GEMS.
>>>
>>> I use synthetic motor oil in my vehicles and I think that the
>>> Google tool bar is a worthless little piece of ratware and apparently
>>> there are a couple of groups of people who want to cut my head off
>>> for daring to suggest either one. Geeze....
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No, it's not your claim that the Google Toolbar is a "worthless little
>> piece of ratware". Rather, it's your claim:
>>
>> "And they are specifically "illegal" in most corporate environments.".
>>
>> When challenged, you modified this to: "I should say many.".
>>
>> And now you say "quite a few local places list the state and a few big
>> companies".
>>
>> Which is it? Let's get some names out, please.
>>
>> You make wild, unsubstantiated claims and you can expect to be called
>> for them.
>>
>
> I suggest you look for yourself. I know of quite a number of places
> by name locally and nationally that do not allow "tool bars" be it
> google or anything else. I've talked to people in other groups that say
> "yes that is not allowed here either" with out necessarily knowing where
> "here" is. Agree or disagree I don't care, either way get over it. There
> is absolutely nothing "wild" about tool bars being disallowed in a
> corporate environment and from where *I* sit it's not unsubstantiated.
> If you want more substance, you'll have to do the work same as last time.
>

Sorry, you made the claim. It's up to you to back it up. And if you
can't back it up, don't make it in the first place.

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On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 13:00:24 +1000, Peter Moylan
<EMAIL REMOVED> wrote:

>Al in Dallas wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 23:31:09 +1000, Peter Moylan
>> <EMAIL REMOVED> wrote:
>>
>>> Archie Valparaiso wrote:
>
>>>> Just ask Clippy.
>>>>
>>> Hello, I see that you're writing a Usenet message. Would you like me to
>>> sign you up with Google Groups and delete all your spam filters?
>>
>> That sounds like a threat.
>>
>If you're not ultra-cautious, Clippy actually carries out its threats.

Ahhh, you were giving a facetious example of Clippy. I think I used to
replace him with mother nature. Whatever it was, it looked like the
planet Earth. I had a boss who used Shakespeare.

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On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 14:15:39 -0500, WindsorFox
<EMAIL REMOVED> wrote:

>Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> WindsorFox wrote:
>>
>>> Out_Of_The_Dark wrote:
>>>> On Jun 2, 9:31 am, Peter Moylan <p...@ozebelgDieSpammers.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Archie Valparaiso wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 00:07:57 +1000, Peter Moylan
>>>>>> <p...@ozebelgDieSpammers.org> wrought:
>>>>>>> Something I downloaded on my daughter's computer came
>>>>>>> secretly equipped with a horrible pest called the "Google
>>>>>>> toolbar". I still haven't figured out how to get rid of it.
>>>>>> Just ask Clippy.
>>>>> Hello, I see that you're writing a Usenet message. Would you
>>>>> like me to sign you up with Google Groups and delete all your
>>>>> spam filters?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain
>>>>> eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer
>>>>> receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet
>>>>> address could disappear at any time. < < <
>>>> Please keep this OT thread off alt.religion.scientology. Thanks
>>> Surely that group needs SOMEthing that is worth reading??
>>
>> They read their own newsgroups? I thought they were too busy
>> reading all the other ones to see who's making fun of them to read
>> their own.
>>
>
>
> It's because there's nothing interesting there!! Unless of course
>Babs Schwarz gets on some type of ko0k filled tirade.

Is it for the anti-Scientologists or the Scientologists? I wonder
whether it would be worthwhile to watch the Kibologists and the
Scientologists flame each other.

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On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 00:07:57 +1000, Peter Moylan
<EMAIL REMOVED> wrote:

>clams casino wrote:

>They ain't kidding. Something I downloaded on my daughter's computer
>came secretly equipped with a horrible pest called the "Google toolbar".
>I still haven't figured out how to get rid of it.


My kids used to play the online james on nick.com until a virus scan
showed trojans in the java applets that the games installed on your
PC.

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