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> WindsorFox filted:
> >
> > It's un-necessary junk. There are extensions for Firefox that are
> >far more useful and less "tracking" than anything by google or yahoo.
> >And they are specifically "illegal" in most corporate environments.

Google Toolbar won't track if you ask it not to, but there are some
benefits in allowing it to if you wish to allow it.

> Firefox is specifically "illegal" in this corporate environment....r

And in the corporate environment for which I'm responsible (about
25,000 PCs), Firefox and Google Toolbar are both legal. I know,
because I wrote the policies.

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Jerry Stuckle filted:
>
>R H Draney wrote:
>> WindsorFox filted:
>>> It's un-necessary junk. There are extensions for Firefox that are
>>> far more useful and less "tracking" than anything by google or yahoo.
>>> And they are specifically "illegal" in most corporate environments.
>>
>> Firefox is specifically "illegal" in this corporate environment....r
>
>Please let me know what corporation that is. If it is so stupid as to
>require IE with all of its gaping security holes, I'm going to dump all
>my stock in it now - and stop doing business with it.

I'm afraid I can't tell you that...I've promised not to reveal the name of my
employer to the outside world, and they in turn have promised that if anyone
asks whether I work for them they will refuse to answer....

The rule isn't specifically directed at Firefox, but at any software that
doesn't come with the "standard image" on the machines they provide for
us...read rigorously, it would even seem to prohibit the little DOS batch files
I sometimes create for myself....r


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barbz wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
> This thread is being used for one of Scientology's craptacular spam
> attacks on alt.religion.scientology.
>
> If you must reply, please remove ars from the reply-to.
> Thanks!
> Use tools, don't be one!
>

They why is it in alt.www.webmasters? If you don't want it to go off
topic, take off-topic groups out of the list.

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R H Draney wrote:

> Firefox is specifically "illegal" in this corporate environment....r

If you have Windows users, it would be a whole lot safer to encourage
Firefox and ban the use of Internet Explorer.

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Archie Valparaiso wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 00:07:57 +1000, Peter Moylan
> <EMAIL REMOVED> wrought:
>
>> Something I downloaded on my daughter's computer came secretly
>> equipped with a horrible pest called the "Google toolbar". I still
>> haven't figured out how to get rid of it.
>
> Just ask Clippy.
>
Hello, I see that you're writing a Usenet message. Would you like me to
sign you up with Google Groups and delete all your spam filters?

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Skitt wrote:
> Peter Moylan wrote:

>> They ain't kidding. Something I downloaded on my daughter's
>> computer came secretly equipped with a horrible pest called the
>> "Google toolbar". I still haven't figured out how to get rid of it.
>>
>>
>> That's just one of the many reasons I'm pleased I don't have any
>> form of Windows on my own computer.
>
> If you have Windows, removing that toolbar is very easy.

Aha! I knew that Windows had to be useful for something.

Of course, if you don't have Windows, there isn't any annoying toolbar
to remove.

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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> R H Draney wrote:
>> WindsorFox filted:
>>> It's un-necessary junk. There are extensions for Firefox that are
>>> far more useful and less "tracking" than anything by google or yahoo.
>>> And they are specifically "illegal" in most corporate environments.
>>
>> Firefox is specifically "illegal" in this corporate environment....r
>>
>>
>
> Please let me know what corporation that is. If it is so stupid as to
> require IE with all of its gaping security holes, I'm going to dump all
> my stock in it now - and stop doing business with it.
>

There are certain apps at my day job that require IE, all out of
programmer laziness, but it's still needed. There is no rule disallowing
the use of a better and more secure browser though.

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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> WindsorFox wrote:
>> the Omrud wrote:
>>> EMAIL REMOVED had it ...
>>>
>>>> clams casino wrote:
>>>>> Before you link with any spam - Per THE WEEK =3F 5/25/07, =3FAn
>>>>> analysis
>>>>> by Google found that 10% of all web pages are equipped to secretly
>>>>> download spyware and other malicious code on user=3Fs computers. These
>>>>> downloads can steal login and p***word information, install unwanted
>>>>> bookmarks and toolbars, and even damage operating systems.=3F
>>>> They ain't kidding. Something I downloaded on my daughter's computer
>>>> came secretly equipped with a horrible pest called the "Google
>>>> toolbar".
>>>> I still haven't figured out how to get rid of it.
>>>
>>> Really? It is the most useful add-on I have, and the first thing I
>>> install when building a new PC.
>>>
>>
>> It's un-necessary junk. There are extensions for Firefox that are
>> far more useful and less "tracking" than anything by google or yahoo.
>> And they are specifically "illegal" in most corporate environments.
>>
>
> Sorry, I agree with David. Google Toolbar is the most useful extension
> I have. And you can turn off the tracking.
>
> Also, please document where they are specifically "illegal" in most
> corporate environments. I deal with some very large corporations (i.e.
> Fortune 500), and non of them I work with prohibit it's use.
>

I should say many. It has bad habit of causing trouble with some
proprietary apps we have and pop-up/open windows. Again, programmer
laziness, but the problem is still there. The only thong useful I ever
saw about it was the search box it ads to the browser window and both FF
and IE7 come standard with that.

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WindsorFox wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> R H Draney wrote:
>>> WindsorFox filted:

> There are certain apps at my day job that require IE, all out of
> programmer laziness, but it's still needed. There is no rule
> disallowing the use of a better and more secure browser though.

Which rule prevents trimming crossposts?

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WindsorFox wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> WindsorFox wrote:
>>> the Omrud wrote:
>>>> EMAIL REMOVED had it ...
>>>>
>>>>> clams casino wrote:
>>>>>> Before you link with any spam - Per THE WEEK =3F 5/25/07, =3FAn
>>>>>> analysis
>>>>>> by Google found that 10% of all web pages are equipped to secretly
>>>>>> download spyware and other malicious code on user=3Fs computers.
>>>>>> These
>>>>>> downloads can steal login and p***word information, install unwanted
>>>>>> bookmarks and toolbars, and even damage operating systems.=3F
>>>>> They ain't kidding. Something I downloaded on my daughter's computer
>>>>> came secretly equipped with a horrible pest called the "Google
>>>>> toolbar".
>>>>> I still haven't figured out how to get rid of it.
>>>>
>>>> Really? It is the most useful add-on I have, and the first thing I
>>>> install when building a new PC.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's un-necessary junk. There are extensions for Firefox that are
>>> far more useful and less "tracking" than anything by google or yahoo.
>>> And they are specifically "illegal" in most corporate environments.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, I agree with David. Google Toolbar is the most useful
>> extension I have. And you can turn off the tracking.
>>
>> Also, please document where they are specifically "illegal" in most
>> corporate environments. I deal with some very large corporations
>> (i.e. Fortune 500), and non of them I work with prohibit it's use.
>>
>
> I should say many. It has bad habit of causing trouble with some
> proprietary apps we have and pop-up/open windows. Again, programmer
> laziness, but the problem is still there. The only thong useful I ever
> saw about it was the search box it ads to the browser window and both FF
> and IE7 come standard with that.
>

I'd like you to name some. I don't know of any, myself.

As for your proprietary apps - when your programmers are too lazy to do
something right, you deserve what happens. Unfortunately, too many
companies find it to be a very expensive mistake.

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