Mark Goodge wrote:
> I'm trying to create a list that's centred on a single character in the
> middle of the line - something like a fixture list, like this:
>
> Arsenal v Chelsea
> Liverpool v Manchester Utd

>
> This effect is easy to achieve with tables, like this...
>
> <tr>
> <td align=right>team 1</td>
> <td align=center>v</td>
> <td align=left>team 2</td>
> </tr>

Tables, as discussed. But you don't need three cells per row, only two.

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<John Hosking>
<Fri, 25 May 2007 17:37:25 +0200>
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> > This effect is easy to achieve with tables, like this...
> >
> > <tr>
> > <td align=right>team 1</td>
> > <td align=center>v</td>
> > <td align=left>team 2</td>
> > </tr>
>
> Tables, as discussed. But you don't need three cells per row, only two.
>

Wrong - fartfox needs things put in the <td> if its to work correctly .

And lo, John Hosking didst speak in alt.www.webmaster,uk.net.web.authoring:

> Mark Goodge wrote:
>> I'm trying to create a list that's centred on a single character in the
>> middle of the line - something like a fixture list, like this:
>> Arsenal v Chelsea
>> Liverpool v Manchester Utd
>
>> This effect is easy to achieve with tables, like this...
>> <tr>
>> <td align=right>team 1</td>
>> <td align=center>v</td>
>> <td align=left>team 2</td>
>> </tr>
>
> Tables, as discussed. But you don't need three cells per row, only two..

How so? By placing the "v" with one of the two team names? That would
distort the tabular data, and defeat the purpose of using the table in the
first place. "Arsenal v" and "Chelsea"? "Liverpool" and "v Manchester
Utd"?

If, rather, you mean to have the middle <td> element only in the first row
and have it "rowspan" through all the rows, that would make a little more
sense, but it would still not convert to a sensible textual representation.

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Krustov wrote:
> <uk.net.web.authoring>
> <John Hosking>
> <Fri, 25 May 2007 17:37:25 +0200>
> <EMAIL REMOVED>
>
>>> This effect is easy to achieve with tables, like this...
>>>
>>> <tr>
>>> <td align=right>team 1</td>
>>> <td align=center>v</td>
>>> <td align=left>team 2</td>
>>> </tr>
>> Tables, as discussed. But you don't need three cells per row, only two.
>>
>
> Wrong - fartfox needs things put in the <td> if its to work correctly .

What?

<tr>
<td align=right>team 1 v</td>
<td align=left>team 2</td>
</tr>

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Jaya wrote:

> you can use simple tables to get these results...
>
> <tr>
> <td align=right width=50>Arsenal</td>
> <td align=center width=5>Vs</td>
> <td align=left width=50>Chelsea</td>
> </tr>
etc...

That is *not* a simple table!

Specifying the width of each cell is completely unnecessary, and
totally unhelpful. Just leave the browser to sort out the size it
needs, and it will fit the table nicely round whatever text is in
there.

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In article <EMAIL REMOVED>,
John Hosking <EMAIL REMOVED> wrote:

> Yes, that's rather what I meant. It's *not* clean semantically, but I
> don't think I agree that it "defeats the purpose of using the table in
> the first place", since the matches are still in the same row. But feel
> free to persuade me.

It's not really that big of a deal for alignment, I suppose, but you
have to ask yourself about what might be done with the page dynamically
and/or how it might be most simply generated. Additionally, the use of
CSS to style the individual td elements would not be possible if you
cram the stuff together.

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in message <EMAIL REMOVED>, John Hosking
('EMAIL REMOVED') wrote:

> Mark Goodge wrote:
>> I'm trying to create a list that's centred on a single character in the
>> middle of the line - something like a fixture list, like this:
>>
>> Arsenal v Chelsea
>> Liverpool v Manchester Utd
>
>>
>> This effect is easy to achieve with tables, like this...
>>
>> <tr>
>> <td align=right>team 1</td>
>> <td align=center>v</td>
>> <td align=left>team 2</td>
>> </tr>
>
> Tables, as discussed. But you don't need three cells per row, only two.

The data seems to me to imply three cells per row, doesn't it? Is the 'v'
part of 'Arsenal' or of 'Chelsea'? I agree that presentationally it buys
you nothing, but is still seems to me the correct solution.

Oh - and cl*** your columns, don't put presentational details into the
markup.

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Simon Brooke wrote:

> Personally, I think that one would be very tricky with CSS; not impossible
> but not at all easy. Like others, I'd use a table.

It's fairly easy if you use inline-block, but not all browsers support
inline-block.

<div cl***="match">
<span cl***="team first-team">Arsenal</span>
<span cl***="versus">v</span>
<span cl***="team second-team">Man Utd</span>
</div>

..team { display: inline-block; width: 45%; }
..first-team { text-align: right; }

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