I've received this email by John. T. Markham from a friend of mine,
asking to post it. I've had some bad experiences with godaddy.com
myself, so basically, I concur with the opinions, expressed below.
Sorry if the formatting is screwed, my news client does it a lot. It
was nice, when I received it.

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An Open Letter and four questions to Bob Parsons, Godaddy.com Owner
and President

Mr. Parsons:

I'm truly shocked by the amount of negative information and
expressions of m***ive outrage, popping up everywhere on the Net,
about extremely immoral and illegal practices of godaddy.com. People
from all over the world are complaining about godaddy.com acting as a
sole King, Judge, Jury, Executioner and even as a rutless robber on
the Internet Superhighway.

Bluehost.com president Matt Heaton claims, that they are going to
terminate their corporate account with Godaddy and take their $70K per
month business elsewhere, due to your extremely poor service and
outrageous behaviour.

The reputable and influential CNet currently posted an article, which,
in essence, claims that godaddy.com is an enemy of free speech on the
Net.

There are numerous claims of domain theft by godaddy.com, of extreme
censorship, of taking their customers' money and terminating their
prepaid services for no justifiable reason, providing no venues to
remedy any harm, no ways to arbitration,

review, etc., etc., etc. I'm not sure any Internet business entity
would be proud of the attitude, expressed in your Terms of Service,
such as:

"IN NO EVENT SHALL GO DADDY BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT,
INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES
(INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR
SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS
INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER
IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING
NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THE
SERVICES, EVEN IF GO DADDY IS AWARE OF OR HAS BEEN ADVISED
OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE."

In other words, you have rights to harm, abuse, neglect, steal,
interphere, or do anthing you want, no exceptions, with your
customers' businesses, domain names, anything and everything within
your reach, and no one has the right to demand any responsibility, any
accountability from you. You have all the rights you choose to have,
at your sole discretion, but your customers have none whatsoever.
Wasn't this an attitude, fostered and practiced by Joseph Stalin,
Saddam Hussein? I admit,you're not killing your customers yet, but in
general, it's a similar state of mind, in my humble opinion.

And this is what follows in your mandatory TOS Agreement:

"Notwithstanding anything to the contrary in this Agreement, in
addition to any and all other remedies to which Go Daddy is entitled,
Go Daddy specifically reserves the right to (i) immediately suspend
any domain names that Go Daddy believes in its
sole discretion to be violating the terms of this Agreement, (ii)
charge You a Twenty Nine and No/100 Dollars ($29.00) administrative
fee for any and each domain name that Go Daddy believes in its sole
discretion to be violating the terms of this Agreement, (iii) require
the forfeiture of any previously earned revenue in connection with the
Services, which has yet to be paid, (iv) deactivate any and all
accounts and domains that Go Daddy believes in its sole discretion to
be violating the terms of this Agreement, and (v) provide advertising
partners with any and all domain names that Go Daddy believe in its
sole discretion to be violating the terms of this Agreement."

(It's truly unfortunate, that most people are desensitized and
conditioned not to read any of such legalese, when signing up for
services).Once again, you Sir have proclaimed yourself and your
Kingdom the sole ruler, the sole authority, which can do anything at
anytime, "at your sole discretion" to any customer of your company and
to their property. It's nice you don't yet claim you also have
exclusive rights to their wives, sisters, children, real estate, and
their souls.

Question No 1. What is going on?

Question No 2. Don't you care about what people are saying, writing,
screaming about your company?

Question No.3. Do you think Godaddy.com can get away with practicing
toalitarian tyranny and mob-style rule of the Net and survive as a
business enity, in this age of m***ive information exchange?

Question No 4. You claim that you are an American patriot. How do you
think your tyrannical and mob-style actions are representing American
moral and business values in the eyes of the world?

Here are some links to more information on this disturbing issue:

http://www.nodaddy.com/

http://www.phpbb-seo.com/boards/host...ons-vt471.html

http://news.com.com/Survey+Are+domai...3-6155614.html

http://news.com.com/Survey+Are+domai...ml?tag=st.prev

http://news.com.com/5208-1025_3-0.ht...34957&start=-1

http://mattheaton.com/?p=41

http://www.threadwatch.org/node/12636

http://www.thehostguru.com/category/articles/

Mr. Parsons, please descend from your imaginary throne, do some soul
searching and address these issues in you personal blog, on the
Usenet, or using any other public forum (at your sole discretion, of
course). Please be kind to do it honestly and as openly, as you can.
Looking back at your biography and at the history of your company, it
seems you used to be a very decent man, running a very decent
business, providing friendly, high quality service. What happened?!

John T. Markham, New York, NY

Since this is an Open Letter, anyone is free to repost it anywhere, in
part or in whole.

EMAIL REMOVED wrote:
Well I for one love GoDaddy. If you spam and your host refuses to close your
accoutn all I need to do is send the proof top GoDaddy and they take the
domain off you. More registers should be doing this.

I see why Bluehost.com doesnt wish to use them any more. Bluehost.com
ignores spam reports which then makes spam reporters contact GoDaddy to get
the domain suspended. Bluehost.com loses money when their spammers lose
their domains....

"Viper" <EMAIL REMOVED> wrote in message
news:EMAIL REMOVED. ..
> EMAIL REMOVED wrote:
> Well I for one love GoDaddy. If you spam and your host refuses to close
> your accoutn all I need to do is send the proof top GoDaddy and they take
> the domain off you. More registers should be doing this.
>
> I see why Bluehost.com doesnt wish to use them any more. Bluehost.com
> ignores spam reports which then makes spam reporters contact GoDaddy to
> get the domain suspended. Bluehost.com loses money when their spammers
> lose their domains....

Right, they take your property without a court order and without any
investigation. You can turn in anyone to godaddy and they will never bother
to check the facts. If there is a chance to steal anybody's money or
property, they will. If that's your style of free market economy, of
conservative moral values, that's your business. Thankfully, fascist
bastards like you are in the minority. No chance, Viper.

It's just like the Inquisition in the Middle Ages: "Mr. Spy, I think my
neighbor's wife is a witch." - "OK, we'll fry her slowly, until she
confesses, then we'll fry her fast and then we'll fry her hubby and then
take over their property". Well, you guys don't fry people yet. But with
your type, you never know...Maybe you do part-time, moonlighting?

William Stanton wrote:
> "Viper" <EMAIL REMOVED> wrote in message
> news:EMAIL REMOVED. ..
>> EMAIL REMOVED wrote:
>> Well I for one love GoDaddy. If you spam and your host refuses to close
>> your accoutn all I need to do is send the proof top GoDaddy and they take
>> the domain off you. More registers should be doing this.
>>
>> I see why Bluehost.com doesnt wish to use them any more. Bluehost.com
>> ignores spam reports which then makes spam reporters contact GoDaddy to
>> get the domain suspended. Bluehost.com loses money when their spammers
>> lose their domains....
>
> Right, they take your property without a court order and without any
> investigation. You can turn in anyone to godaddy and they will never bother
> to check the facts. If there is a chance to steal anybody's money or
> property, they will. If that's your style of free market economy, of
> conservative moral values, that's your business. Thankfully, fascist
> bastards like you are in the minority. No chance, Viper.
>

Except the domain is not "your property" - it belongs to ICANN. It's
only there for you to use as long as the registrar allows you to. If
you don't like the TOS of one registrar, get another.

> It's just like the Inquisition in the Middle Ages: "Mr. Spy, I think my
> neighbor's wife is a witch." - "OK, we'll fry her slowly, until she
> confesses, then we'll fry her fast and then we'll fry her hubby and then
> take over their property". Well, you guys don't fry people yet. But with
> your type, you never know...Maybe you do part-time, moonlighting?
>

Not at all similar.

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"Jerry Stuckle" <EMAIL REMOVED> wrote in message
newsEMAIL REMOVED. ..
> William Stanton wrote:
>> "Viper" <EMAIL REMOVED> wrote in message
>> news:EMAIL REMOVED. ..
>>> EMAIL REMOVED wrote:
>>> Well I for one love GoDaddy. If you spam and your host refuses to close
>>> your accoutn all I need to do is send the proof top GoDaddy and they
>>> take the domain off you. More registers should be doing this.
>>>
>>> I see why Bluehost.com doesnt wish to use them any more. Bluehost.com
>>> ignores spam reports which then makes spam reporters contact GoDaddy to
>>> get the domain suspended. Bluehost.com loses money when their spammers
>>> lose their domains....
>>
>> Right, they take your property without a court order and without any
>> investigation. You can turn in anyone to godaddy and they will never
>> bother to check the facts. If there is a chance to steal anybody's money
>> or property, they will. If that's your style of free market economy, of
>> conservative moral values, that's your business. Thankfully, fascist
>> bastards like you are in the minority. No chance, Viper.
>>
>
> Except the domain is not "your property" - it belongs to ICANN. It's only
> there for you to use as long as the registrar allows you to. If you don't
> like the TOS of one registrar, get another.
>
>> It's just like the Inquisition in the Middle Ages: "Mr. Spy, I think my
>> neighbor's wife is a witch." - "OK, we'll fry her slowly, until she
>> confesses, then we'll fry her fast and then we'll fry her hubby and then
>> take over their property". Well, you guys don't fry people yet. But with
>> your type, you never know...Maybe you do part-time, moonlighting?
>>
>
> Not at all similar.
>

Tell those guys who just bought porn.com for $9.5 mil. (see here:
http://www.threadwatch.org/node/14429) that they bought nothing.
You're dead wrong. The registrant who paid the registration fee owns the
domain name for as long as he extends its registration.

WS

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William Stanton wrote:
> "Jerry Stuckle" <EMAIL REMOVED> wrote in message
> newsEMAIL REMOVED. ..
>> William Stanton wrote:
>>> "Viper" <EMAIL REMOVED> wrote in message
>>> news:EMAIL REMOVED. ..
>>>> EMAIL REMOVED wrote:
>>>> Well I for one love GoDaddy. If you spam and your host refuses to close
>>>> your accoutn all I need to do is send the proof top GoDaddy and they
>>>> take the domain off you. More registers should be doing this.
>>>>
>>>> I see why Bluehost.com doesnt wish to use them any more. Bluehost.com
>>>> ignores spam reports which then makes spam reporters contact GoDaddy to
>>>> get the domain suspended. Bluehost.com loses money when their spammers
>>>> lose their domains....
>>> Right, they take your property without a court order and without any
>>> investigation. You can turn in anyone to godaddy and they will never
>>> bother to check the facts. If there is a chance to steal anybody's money
>>> or property, they will. If that's your style of free market economy, of
>>> conservative moral values, that's your business. Thankfully, fascist
>>> bastards like you are in the minority. No chance, Viper.
>>>
>> Except the domain is not "your property" - it belongs to ICANN. It's only
>> there for you to use as long as the registrar allows you to. If you don't
>> like the TOS of one registrar, get another.
>>
>>> It's just like the Inquisition in the Middle Ages: "Mr. Spy, I think my
>>> neighbor's wife is a witch." - "OK, we'll fry her slowly, until she
>>> confesses, then we'll fry her fast and then we'll fry her hubby and then
>>> take over their property". Well, you guys don't fry people yet. But with
>>> your type, you never know...Maybe you do part-time, moonlighting?
>>>
>> Not at all similar.
>>
>
> Tell those guys who just bought porn.com for $9.5 mil. (see here:
> http://www.threadwatch.org/node/14429) that they bought nothing.
> You're dead wrong. The registrant who paid the registration fee owns the
> domain name for as long as he extends its registration.
>

Not at all. You rent the domain from ICANN. ICANN can take it away
from you at any time. And your registrar can take it away from you, also.

It doesn't matte who was stupid enough to pay a bunch of money for a
domain. All they bought was the right now rent it. They own nothing.

Just like when you lease an apartment. You own nothing. But you get to
use the apartment for the length of the lease, as long as you pay your
rent - and as long as you don't violate your landlord's TOS.

> WS
>
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>> Jerry Stuckle
>> JDS Computer Training Corp.
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>> Tell those guys who just bought porn.com for $9.5 mil. (see here:
>> http://www.threadwatch.org/node/14429) that they bought nothing.
>> You're dead wrong. The registrant who paid the registration fee owns the
>> domain name for as long as he extends its registration.
>>
>
> Not at all. You rent the domain from ICANN. ICANN can take it away from
> you at any time. And your registrar can take it away from you, also.
>
> It doesn't matte who was stupid enough to pay a bunch of money for a
> domain. All they bought was the right now rent it. They own nothing.
>
> Just like when you lease an apartment. You own nothing. But you get to
> use the apartment for the length of the lease, as long as you pay your
> rent - and as long as you don't violate your landlord's TOS.
>
>> WS
>
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Seems you could use some training in this, Jerry.

From http://blogs.polkvoice.com/default.asp?item=593273

"Make sure you're the "Registrant" of the domain name. Every domain name has
a Registrant, Administrative, Technical, and Billing contact listed for it.
The Registrant is the legal owner of the domain, so you want to be sure that
you (or your company) are the Registrant."

From: http://www.domainpeople.com/faqs/reg...me-change.html
Who owns my domain?
When you register a domain name with DomainPeople, the person/company listed
as a Registrant is considered the only legal holder/owner of the domain name
for the duration of the current registration term.

Only with proxy registration you do not legally own the domain.

http://www.dynadot.com/resource/article/qa.html?aid=0

You guy need to do some research before posting wrong information. The
problem with us is that everyone is creating their own laws in their heads
and trying to cram them down the throats of other people.

I hope you teach more truthlul stuff than this in your computer cl***es.

WS









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"Scott Bryce" <EMAIL REMOVED> wrote in message
news:EMAIL REMOVED. ..
> William Stanton wrote:
>
>> Seems you could use some training in this, Jerry.
>>
>> From http://blogs.polkvoice.com/default.asp?item=593273
>>
>> "Make sure you're the "Registrant" of the domain name. Every domain name
>> has a Registrant, Administrative, Technical, and Billing contact listed
>> for it. The Registrant is the legal owner of the domain, so you want to
>> be sure that you (or your company) are the Registrant."
>
> If I am the legal owner of my domain name, then why do I have to keep
> paying someone else every year for the right to continue using it? And if
> I stop paying, someone else can take it. That isn't ownership. That is
> rent.

Instead of posting your own childish interpretations of the law, why don't
you spend a few minutes searching for a professional opinion on the subject?

Just enter something like "who is a legal owner of domain names", or "who
legally owns internet domains" into a search engine and read what you find.
Stating that Microsoft doesn't own microsoft.com, or Amazon.com doesn't own
amazon.com is ridiculous. Following your reasoning, if ICANN becomes pissed
off by Microsoft, they can simply take back the domain microsoft.com.

WS

William Stanton wrote:
>>> Tell those guys who just bought porn.com for $9.5 mil. (see here:
>>> http://www.threadwatch.org/node/14429) that they bought nothing.
>>> You're dead wrong. The registrant who paid the registration fee owns the
>>> domain name for as long as he extends its registration.
>>>
>> Not at all. You rent the domain from ICANN. ICANN can take it away from
>> you at any time. And your registrar can take it away from you, also.
>>
>> It doesn't matte who was stupid enough to pay a bunch of money for a
>> domain. All they bought was the right now rent it. They own nothing.
>>
>> Just like when you lease an apartment. You own nothing. But you get to
>> use the apartment for the length of the lease, as long as you pay your
>> rent - and as long as you don't violate your landlord's TOS.
>>
>>> WS
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>>>> Jerry Stuckle
>>>> JDS Computer Training Corp.
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>
> Seems you could use some training in this, Jerry.
>
> From http://blogs.polkvoice.com/default.asp?item=593273
>
> "Make sure you're the "Registrant" of the domain name. Every domain name has
> a Registrant, Administrative, Technical, and Billing contact listed for it.
> The Registrant is the legal owner of the domain, so you want to be sure that
> you (or your company) are the Registrant."
>

You're accepting legal advice from a blog? ROFLMAO!

> From: http://www.domainpeople.com/faqs/reg...me-change.html
> Who owns my domain?
> When you register a domain name with DomainPeople, the person/company listed
> as a Registrant is considered the only legal holder/owner of the domain name
> for the duration of the current registration term.
>

The correct term would be HOLDER - not OWNER.

> Only with proxy registration you do not legally own the domain.
>
> http://www.dynadot.com/resource/article/qa.html?aid=0
>
> You guy need to do some research before posting wrong information. The
> problem with us is that everyone is creating their own laws in their heads
> and trying to cram them down the throats of other people.
>
> I hope you teach more truthlul stuff than this in your computer cl***es.
>
> WS
>
>

Yep, you need to do some research before posting wrong information.
Next time try an attorney - not a blog - for your legal advice.

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The Pretzel wrote:
> Scott Bryce wrote:
>> William Stanton wrote:
>>
>>> Seems you could use some training in this, Jerry.
>>>
>>> From http://blogs.polkvoice.com/default.asp?item=593273
>>>
>>> "Make sure you're the "Registrant" of the domain name. Every domain
>>> name has a Registrant, Administrative, Technical, and Billing contact
>>> listed for it. The Registrant is the legal owner of the domain, so
>>> you want to be sure that you (or your company) are the Registrant."
>>
>> If I am the legal owner of my domain name, then why do I have to keep
>> paying someone else every year for the right to continue using it? And
>> if I stop paying, someone else can take it. That isn't ownership. That
>> is rent.
> You're paying for that domain name to be ***ociated/registerd with
> server IP location of your biding on the net. You're paying for your IP
> address being ***ociated with that domain name. You OWN that domain name
> for as long as you control its ***ociation by contract. It's not renting
> it... That's why you're asked for a host IP at registration.

No - at least not in the U.S., that is NOT OWNERSHIP.

I'd suggest you talk to an attorney to get your facts straight - at
least in the U.S.

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