Jerry Stuckle scribed:
>
>Your "free advice" is worth exactly what you paid for it.

This is particularly true when it pertains to Stuckle's advice. It's
especially true in this thread.

http://www.keytlaw.com/urls/urllaw.htm

http://www.icann.org/faq/#registerdomain

Read ICANN's opening statement on its purpose and responsibilities. (Not
you, Jerry...it takes a modicum of reading comprehension.)
http://www.icann.org/general/
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William Stanton wrote:

>> If I am the legal owner of my domain name, then why do I have to keep
>> paying someone else every year for the right to continue using it? And if
>> I stop paying, someone else can take it. That isn't ownership. That is
>> rent.
>
> Instead of posting your own childish interpretations of the law, why don't
> you spend a few minutes searching for a professional opinion on the subject?
>

Instead of insulting people why don't you suck up and admit you're
wrong? If you do not pay EVERY year you lose it, if you do not abide by
the rules you can also LOSE it. It can be taken away at a whim if you do
something against the TOS of the registrar or ICANN. It does nto matter
what you call it, own, rent, barrow, lease, abscond or kype it is NOT
yours to keep unless you pay to keep it. That does not equate to
ownership. Because you do not like a definition does not make it childish.


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Some beholders are flat-out blind." - Dwight

"WindsorFox" <EMAIL REMOVED> wrote in message
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> William Stanton wrote:
>
>>> If I am the legal owner of my domain name, then why do I have to keep
>>> paying someone else every year for the right to continue using it? And
>>> if I stop paying, someone else can take it. That isn't ownership. That
>>> is rent.
>>
>> Instead of posting your own childish interpretations of the law, why
>> don't you spend a few minutes searching for a professional opinion on the
>> subject?
>>
>
> Instead of insulting people why don't you suck up and admit you're
> wrong? If you do not pay EVERY year you lose it, if you do not abide by
> the rules you can also LOSE it. It can be taken away at a whim if you do
> something against the TOS of the registrar or ICANN. It does nto matter
> what you call it, own, rent, barrow, lease, abscond or kype it is NOT
> yours to keep unless you pay to keep it. That does not equate to
> ownership. Because you do not like a definition does not make it childish.
>

If you don't pay your mortgage, you lose the house you thought you own. If
you don't pay taxes on the property, you lose it too. If you don't pay for
homeowner's insurance, required by your mortgage lender, you also lose your
home. If you hire a roofing company to install a new roof on your own house,
and don't pay for it upon completion of work, you lose your house because
they've placed a Mechanic's Lien on it. And you thought you owned your house
and were proud of it. What a bull are you talking here...And, most
importantly, WHY?


> --
> "Humor is in the eye of the beholder.
> Some beholders are flat-out blind." - Dwight
>

William Stanton wrote:
> can do? (and they do it a lot!). And never return their money? Or
> shut down the site and take over a domain name Bob Parsons wants to
> himself, because "they called its owner at the listed phone, but
> there was no answer"? Do that with no warning, or a 1-minute to
> 45-minute warning? What a bull.

Thats an ICANN rule dumb***. ICANN requires you to have VALID info in your
WHOIS info. If you dont and you get reported then YES you lose the domain.
This is NOT GoDaddys fault, its the dumb*** that input the wrong info. I
report domains all the time for having an invalid phone number or email
address. GoDaddy is not the only one to remove domains for invalid info.

And this is invalid: Registrant Street2omain May Be For Sale
So you may wish to fix your domains WHOIS info. Ill give 24 hours and then
Ill submit a report. And yes eNom does remove domains for invalid info so
you are NOT safe...

"Viper" <EMAIL REMOVED> wrote in message
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> William Stanton wrote:
>> can do? (and they do it a lot!). And never return their money? Or
>> shut down the site and take over a domain name Bob Parsons wants to
>> himself, because "they called its owner at the listed phone, but
>> there was no answer"? Do that with no warning, or a 1-minute to
>> 45-minute warning? What a bull.
>
> Thats an ICANN rule dumb***. ICANN requires you to have VALID info in your
> WHOIS info. If you dont and you get reported then YES you lose the domain.
> This is NOT GoDaddys fault, its the dumb*** that input the wrong info. I
> report domains all the time for having an invalid phone number or email
> address. GoDaddy is not the only one to remove domains for invalid info.
>
> And this is invalid: Registrant Street2omain May Be For Sale
> So you may wish to fix your domains WHOIS info. Ill give 24 hours and then
> Ill submit a report. And yes eNom does remove domains for invalid info so
> you are NOT safe...

OK, so if they call a phone number listed as a Microsoft.com Administrative
contact, and, for some reason, no one answers that call, they can take their
domain name over and demand a ransom from Microsoft Corp. if it wants to get
it back. Yeah, that's what you rightard extremists are trying to impose upon
the rest of the world and that's why the rest of the world is fighting you
back. And you, ****ing rightard bastards, are going to lose, just like
everyone of your kind lost it until now and will lose in the future.

And, BTW, in case of Godaddy.com, if they want that domain, they will take
it over "due to incorrect WHOIS records", regardless if you answer that call
or not.

And there will be no recourse, no remedy, since they stated in their TOS
that they can do anything they want and you can do only what they will "deem
appropriate, at their sole discretion".

Once again, you are evil to the bone, Viper, and you are going to lose just
like all of your kind had and have been losing since time immemorial. And
you never learn. Well, just wait and watch how this battle unfolds..

WS

Thank you for helping make Whois data more accurate. A Whois Data Problem
Report related to mymail.org was recently submitted, so no further action is
required.

LOL Looks like its already reported. Good luck!

WindsorFox wrote:
> William Stanton wrote:
>
>>> If I am the legal owner of my domain name, then why do I have to keep
>>> paying someone else every year for the right to continue using it?
>>> And if I stop paying, someone else can take it. That isn't ownership.
>>> That is rent.
>>
>> Instead of posting your own childish interpretations of the law, why
>> don't you spend a few minutes searching for a professional opinion on
>> the subject?
>>
>
> Instead of insulting people why don't you suck up and admit you're
> wrong? If you do not pay EVERY year you lose it, if you do not abide by
> the rules you can also LOSE it. It can be taken away at a whim if you do
> something against the TOS of the registrar or ICANN. It does nto matter
> what you call it, own, rent, barrow, lease, abscond or kype it is NOT
> yours to keep unless you pay to keep it. That does not equate to
> ownership. Because you do not like a definition does not make it childish.
>
>

I should ask you the same thing.

In this case I am not wrong. Pay an attorney and find out for yourself.

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"Viper" <EMAIL REMOVED> wrote in message
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> Thank you for helping make Whois data more accurate. A Whois Data Problem
> Report related to mymail.org was recently submitted, so no further action
> is required.
>
> LOL Looks like its already reported. Good luck!

Sober up

William Stanton wrote:
> "WindsorFox" <EMAIL REMOVED> wrote in message
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>> William Stanton wrote:
>>
>>>> If I am the legal owner of my domain name, then why do I have to keep
>>>> paying someone else every year for the right to continue using it? And
>>>> if I stop paying, someone else can take it. That isn't ownership. That
>>>> is rent.
>>> Instead of posting your own childish interpretations of the law, why
>>> don't you spend a few minutes searching for a professional opinion on the
>>> subject?
>>>
>> Instead of insulting people why don't you suck up and admit you're
>> wrong? If you do not pay EVERY year you lose it, if you do not abide by
>> the rules you can also LOSE it. It can be taken away at a whim if you do
>> something against the TOS of the registrar or ICANN. It does nto matter
>> what you call it, own, rent, barrow, lease, abscond or kype it is NOT
>> yours to keep unless you pay to keep it. That does not equate to
>> ownership. Because you do not like a definition does not make it childish.
>>
>
> If you don't pay your mortgage, you lose the house you thought you own. If
> you don't pay taxes on the property, you lose it too. If you don't pay for
> homeowner's insurance, required by your mortgage lender, you also lose your
> home. If you hire a roofing company to install a new roof on your own house,
> and don't pay for it upon completion of work, you lose your house because
> they've placed a Mechanic's Lien on it. And you thought you owned your house
> and were proud of it. What a bull are you talking here...And, most
> importantly, WHY?
>
>
>> --
>> "Humor is in the eye of the beholder.
>> Some beholders are flat-out blind." - Dwight
>>
>
>

There's a big difference.

In the case of a mortgage, you have voluntarily allowed the mortgage
company to place a lien on your house, placing the house up as
collateral in case you don't pay. If you do not pay taxes, the law
allows the tax authority to take your land.

If you do not pay the roofing company, you will not lose your house.
Rather, a mechanics lien will prevent you from selling your house until
the lien is paid off.


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William Stanton wrote:
> "Ed Jay" <EMAIL REMOVED> wrote in message
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>> Jerry Stuckle scribed:
>>> Your "free advice" is worth exactly what you paid for it.
>> This is particularly true when it pertains to Stuckle's advice. It's
>> especially true in this thread.
>>
>> http://www.keytlaw.com/urls/urllaw.htm
>>
>> http://www.icann.org/faq/#registerdomain
>>
>> Read ICANN's opening statement on its purpose and responsibilities. (Not
>> you, Jerry...it takes a modicum of reading comprehension.)
>> http://www.icann.org/general/
>> --
>> Ed Jay (remove 'M' to respond by email)
>
> I did all you guys suggested and now I'm more than before convinced that if
> I register a domain name, I own it for as long as I keep extending the
> registration. Just like Microsoft, Amazon or Walmart own their respective
> domain names.
>
> And yes, I've read your suggested URLs with ICANN explanations, such as:
> http://www.keytlaw.com/urls/urllaw.htm
>
> "It is very easy to register a new domain name or to buy an existing domain
> name,...." It doesn't say "to rent an existing domain name". Yes, if I buy
> something, I own it, regardless if it's a domain name, a pie in the sky, or
> a pie on my kitchen table - I own it.
>
> And why all this useless discussion? Are you trying to say, that Godaddy has
> right to take away any domain name they've registered for their customers,
> if their owner disliked political or religious views, expressed in any of
> those web sites? Or "for any other reason, at any time, at their sole
> discretion", as they claim in writing they can do? (and they do it a lot!).
> And never return their money? Or shut down the site and take over a domain
> name Bob Parsons wants to himself, because "they called its owner at the
> listed phone, but there was no answer"? Do that with no warning, or a
> 1-minute to 45-minute warning? What a bull.
>
> Just wait and observe. A major scandal in response for godaddy's criminal
> activities is brewing, Watch the original posting, check those URL's -
> nodaddy.com has been up and running, saynotogodaddy.com and
> sayno2godaddy.com have been just registered, DNOU.org (Domain Name Owners
> United) has been registered and is about to be created and launched. Cnet
> just claimed Godaddy.com is the threat to free speech on the Internet (see
> the top post for trhis and other proofs). Etc. etc. etc.
>
> I'll bet some of the nation's leading cl*** action attorneys are watching
> godaddy already. Smelling big bucks, of course...
>
> No one can get away with something like this done to hundreds of thousands
> of customers. That's some serious hostile army to deal with. And in this age
> of lightning fast m***ive exchange of information, m***ive immediate
> publicity, Bob Parsons has a major problem on his hands.
>
> WS
>
>
OK, let's make is simple.

You do not own the domain name. When you register a domain, you enter
into a contract with your registrar. This contract has certain
conditions, normally in the internet world known as their "Terms of
Service". One of these conditions is to pay the agreed upon fee.

But some registrars, GoDaddy among them, have additional conditions.

And yes, the registrar can take your domain away from you if you violate
the TOS. And ICANN can (and has) taken the domain away from you if
there is a dispute found in another party's favor (i.e. a trademark
violation). Neither of these has to go through a court.

Could Innerwise, Inc. (registrar of record) or ICANN take the domain
microsoft.com away from Microsoft? The answer is yes. However, if they
take the domain without good cause, i.e. a violation by Microsoft of
their contract, Microsoft would have ample grounds to sue them on any
number of different grounds. Innerwise would be out of business.

A closer example would be your home owners insurance. You "Buy" a
policy to cover your house. But legally you do not "own" this policy,
even though colloquially you say you "buy" and "own" the policy.
Rather, you have entered into a contract with the insurance company.
And that contract can be terminated at any time by the insurance company
if you fail to abide by it's terms.

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