William Stanton wrote:

> Seems you could use some training in this, Jerry.
>
> From http://blogs.polkvoice.com/default.asp?item=593273
>
> "Make sure you're the "Registrant" of the domain name. Every domain name has
> a Registrant, Administrative, Technical, and Billing contact listed for it.
> The Registrant is the legal owner of the domain, so you want to be sure that
> you (or your company) are the Registrant."

If I am the legal owner of my domain name, then why do I have to keep
paying someone else every year for the right to continue using it? And
if I stop paying, someone else can take it. That isn't ownership. That
is rent.

Scott Bryce wrote:
> William Stanton wrote:
>
>> Seems you could use some training in this, Jerry.
>>
>> From http://blogs.polkvoice.com/default.asp?item=593273
>>
>> "Make sure you're the "Registrant" of the domain name. Every domain
>> name has a Registrant, Administrative, Technical, and Billing contact
>> listed for it. The Registrant is the legal owner of the domain, so you
>> want to be sure that you (or your company) are the Registrant."
>
> If I am the legal owner of my domain name, then why do I have to keep
> paying someone else every year for the right to continue using it? And
> if I stop paying, someone else can take it. That isn't ownership. That
> is rent.
You're paying for that domain name to be ***ociated/registerd with
server IP location of your biding on the net. You're paying for your IP
address being ***ociated with that domain name. You OWN that domain name
for as long as you control its ***ociation by contract. It's not renting
it... That's why you're asked for a host IP at registration.

William Stanton wrote:
> "Scott Bryce" <EMAIL REMOVED> wrote in message
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>> William Stanton wrote:
>>
>>> Seems you could use some training in this, Jerry.
>>>
>>> From http://blogs.polkvoice.com/default.asp?item=593273
>>>
>>> "Make sure you're the "Registrant" of the domain name. Every domain name
>>> has a Registrant, Administrative, Technical, and Billing contact listed
>>> for it. The Registrant is the legal owner of the domain, so you want to
>>> be sure that you (or your company) are the Registrant."
>> If I am the legal owner of my domain name, then why do I have to keep
>> paying someone else every year for the right to continue using it? And if
>> I stop paying, someone else can take it. That isn't ownership. That is
>> rent.
>
> Instead of posting your own childish interpretations of the law, why don't
> you spend a few minutes searching for a professional opinion on the subject?
>
> Just enter something like "who is a legal owner of domain names", or "who
> legally owns internet domains" into a search engine and read what you find.
> Stating that Microsoft doesn't own microsoft.com, or Amazon.com doesn't own
> amazon.com is ridiculous. Following your reasoning, if ICANN becomes pissed
> off by Microsoft, they can simply take back the domain microsoft.com.
>
> WS
>
>

Yes, rather than putting your own childish interpretations of the law,
why don't you pay an attorney for a professional opinion of the subject?

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"Jerry Stuckle" <EMAIL REMOVED> wrote in message
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> William Stanton wrote:
>>>> Tell those guys who just bought porn.com for $9.5 mil. (see here:
>>>> http://www.threadwatch.org/node/14429) that they bought nothing.
>>>> You're dead wrong. The registrant who paid the registration fee owns
>>>> the domain name for as long as he extends its registration.
>>>>
>>> Not at all. You rent the domain from ICANN. ICANN can take it away
>>> from you at any time. And your registrar can take it away from you,
>>> also.
>>>
>>> It doesn't matte who was stupid enough to pay a bunch of money for a
>>> domain. All they bought was the right now rent it. They own nothing.
>>>
>>> Just like when you lease an apartment. You own nothing. But you get to
>>> use the apartment for the length of the lease, as long as you pay your
>>> rent - and as long as you don't violate your landlord's TOS.
>>>
>>>> WS
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>>>>> JDS Computer Training Corp.
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>>
>> Seems you could use some training in this, Jerry.
>>
>> From http://blogs.polkvoice.com/default.asp?item=593273
>>
>> "Make sure you're the "Registrant" of the domain name. Every domain name
>> has a Registrant, Administrative, Technical, and Billing contact listed
>> for it. The Registrant is the legal owner of the domain, so you want to
>> be sure that you (or your company) are the Registrant."
>>
>
> You're accepting legal advice from a blog? ROFLMAO!
>
>> From: http://www.domainpeople.com/faqs/reg...me-change.html
>> Who owns my domain?
>> When you register a domain name with DomainPeople, the person/company
>> listed as a Registrant is considered the only legal holder/owner of the
>> domain name for the duration of the current registration term.
>>
>
> The correct term would be HOLDER - not OWNER.
>
>> Only with proxy registration you do not legally own the domain.
>>
>> http://www.dynadot.com/resource/article/qa.html?aid=0
>>
>> You guy need to do some research before posting wrong information. The
>> problem with us is that everyone is creating their own laws in their
>> heads and trying to cram them down the throats of other people.
>>
>> I hope you teach more truthlul stuff than this in your computer cl***es.
>>
>> WS
>>
>>
>
> Yep, you need to do some research before posting wrong information. Next
> time try an attorney - not a blog - for your legal advice.
>


OK, this is from Law Offices of Bernard C. Dietz:

http://www.internet-legal.com/domains.htm

"We represent domain owners and trademark holders in domain disputes."

You need to prove that the Law school you've graduated from provided a
better education than Mr. Dietz.s law school did.

WS


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"Jerry Stuckle" <EMAIL REMOVED> wrote in message
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> William Stanton wrote:
>>>> Tell those guys who just bought porn.com for $9.5 mil. (see here:
>>>> http://www.threadwatch.org/node/14429) that they bought nothing.
>>>> You're dead wrong. The registrant who paid the registration fee owns
>>>> the domain name for as long as he extends its registration.
>>>>
>>> Not at all. You rent the domain from ICANN. ICANN can take it away
>>> from you at any time. And your registrar can take it away from you,
>>> also.
>>>
>>> It doesn't matte who was stupid enough to pay a bunch of money for a
>>> domain. All they bought was the right now rent it. They own nothing.
>>>
>>> Just like when you lease an apartment. You own nothing. But you get to
>>> use the apartment for the length of the lease, as long as you pay your
>>> rent - and as long as you don't violate your landlord's TOS.
>>>
>>>> WS
>>>>> ==================
>>>>> Remove the "x" from my email address
>>>>> Jerry Stuckle
>>>>> JDS Computer Training Corp.
>>>>> EMAIL REMOVED
>>>>> ==================
>>
>> Seems you could use some training in this, Jerry.
>>
>> From http://blogs.polkvoice.com/default.asp?item=593273
>>
>> "Make sure you're the "Registrant" of the domain name. Every domain name
>> has a Registrant, Administrative, Technical, and Billing contact listed
>> for it. The Registrant is the legal owner of the domain, so you want to
>> be sure that you (or your company) are the Registrant."
>>
>
> You're accepting legal advice from a blog? ROFLMAO!
>
>> From: http://www.domainpeople.com/faqs/reg...me-change.html
>> Who owns my domain?
>> When you register a domain name with DomainPeople, the person/company
>> listed as a Registrant is considered the only legal holder/owner of the
>> domain name for the duration of the current registration term.
>>
>
> The correct term would be HOLDER - not OWNER.
>
>> Only with proxy registration you do not legally own the domain.
>>
>> http://www.dynadot.com/resource/article/qa.html?aid=0
>>
>> You guy need to do some research before posting wrong information. The
>> problem with us is that everyone is creating their own laws in their
>> heads and trying to cram them down the throats of other people.
>>
>> I hope you teach more truthlul stuff than this in your computer cl***es.
>>
>> WS
>>
>>
>
> Yep, you need to do some research before posting wrong information. Next
> time try an attorney - not a blog - for your legal advice.
>

So Domain Name Owners ***ociation is a bunch of fools in your opinion?

Please stop posting your nonsense, search Google, Yahoo or whatever instead.
It's so easy, a caveman can do it.

WS
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On Sun, 20 May 2007 11:18:54 -0400, "William Stanton"
<EMAIL REMOVED> wrote:

>So Domain Name Owners ***ociation is a bunch of fools in your opinion?
>
>Please stop posting your nonsense, search Google, Yahoo or whatever instead.
>It's so easy, a caveman can do it.

Jeez, really.

ICANN does have the authority to establish the rules for domain name
registration. The have done so. The conditions under which they can
"take back" a domain are clearly delineated. Registrars who act as
agents of ICANN have no such authority. Their job is to handle
registrations according to ICANN's rules.

Why anyone would want to use godaddy after reading about what they do
astounds me. There are plenty of responsible registrars and hosts that
do it right - why anyone with a clue would use godaddy defies
explanation.

William Stanton wrote:
> "Jerry Stuckle" <EMAIL REMOVED> wrote in message
> news:EMAIL REMOVED. ..
>> William Stanton wrote:
>>>>> Tell those guys who just bought porn.com for $9.5 mil. (see here:
>>>>> http://www.threadwatch.org/node/14429) that they bought nothing.
>>>>> You're dead wrong. The registrant who paid the registration fee owns
>>>>> the domain name for as long as he extends its registration.
>>>>>
>>>> Not at all. You rent the domain from ICANN. ICANN can take it away
>>>> from you at any time. And your registrar can take it away from you,
>>>> also.
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't matte who was stupid enough to pay a bunch of money for a
>>>> domain. All they bought was the right now rent it. They own nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Just like when you lease an apartment. You own nothing. But you get to
>>>> use the apartment for the length of the lease, as long as you pay your
>>>> rent - and as long as you don't violate your landlord's TOS.
>>>>
>>>>> WS
>>>>>> ==================
>>>>>> Remove the "x" from my email address
>>>>>> Jerry Stuckle
>>>>>> JDS Computer Training Corp.
>>>>>> EMAIL REMOVED
>>>>>> ==================
>>> Seems you could use some training in this, Jerry.
>>>
>>> From http://blogs.polkvoice.com/default.asp?item=593273
>>>
>>> "Make sure you're the "Registrant" of the domain name. Every domain name
>>> has a Registrant, Administrative, Technical, and Billing contact listed
>>> for it. The Registrant is the legal owner of the domain, so you want to
>>> be sure that you (or your company) are the Registrant."
>>>
>> You're accepting legal advice from a blog? ROFLMAO!
>>
>>> From: http://www.domainpeople.com/faqs/reg...me-change.html
>>> Who owns my domain?
>>> When you register a domain name with DomainPeople, the person/company
>>> listed as a Registrant is considered the only legal holder/owner of the
>>> domain name for the duration of the current registration term.
>>>
>> The correct term would be HOLDER - not OWNER.
>>
>>> Only with proxy registration you do not legally own the domain.
>>>
>>> http://www.dynadot.com/resource/article/qa.html?aid=0
>>>
>>> You guy need to do some research before posting wrong information. The
>>> problem with us is that everyone is creating their own laws in their
>>> heads and trying to cram them down the throats of other people.
>>>
>>> I hope you teach more truthlul stuff than this in your computer cl***es.
>>>
>>> WS
>>>
>>>
>> Yep, you need to do some research before posting wrong information. Next
>> time try an attorney - not a blog - for your legal advice.
>>
>
>
> OK, this is from Law Offices of Bernard C. Dietz:
>
> http://www.internet-legal.com/domains.htm
>
> "We represent domain owners and trademark holders in domain disputes."
>
> You need to prove that the Law school you've graduated from provided a
> better education than Mr. Dietz.s law school did.
>
> WS
>

I don't need to prove anything to you.

As I said - next time PAY AN ATTORNEY FOR YOUR LEGAL ADVICE. You will
find there is a difference between the colloquial use of "ownership" and
the legal definition of "ownership".

Your "free advice" is worth exactly what you paid for it.


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still me scribed:

>On Sun, 20 May 2007 11:18:54 -0400, "William Stanton"
><EMAIL REMOVED> wrote:
>
>>So Domain Name Owners ***ociation is a bunch of fools in your opinion?
>>
>>Please stop posting your nonsense, search Google, Yahoo or whatever instead.
>>It's so easy, a caveman can do it.
>
>Jeez, really.
>
>ICANN does have the authority to establish the rules for domain name
>registration.

_Registration_ Not ownership.

>The have done so. The conditions under which they can
>"take back" a domain are clearly delineated.

Where is this delineated? ICANN has no authority over the domain name
itself, except that they can refuse to register one in dispute, or they can
cancel the registration pursuant to a dispute.

<http://www.icann.org/faq/#registerdomain>

>Registrars who act as
>agents of ICANN have no such authority. Their job is to handle
>registrations according to ICANN's rules.

One correct out of three...so far. :-)
>
>Why anyone would want to use godaddy after reading about what they do
>astounds me. There are plenty of responsible registrars and hosts that
>do it right - why anyone with a clue would use godaddy defies
>explanation.
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William Stanton wrote:
> "Jerry Stuckle" <EMAIL REMOVED> wrote in message
> news:EMAIL REMOVED. ..
>> William Stanton wrote:
>>>>> Tell those guys who just bought porn.com for $9.5 mil. (see here:
>>>>> http://www.threadwatch.org/node/14429) that they bought nothing.
>>>>> You're dead wrong. The registrant who paid the registration fee owns
>>>>> the domain name for as long as he extends its registration.
>>>>>
>>>> Not at all. You rent the domain from ICANN. ICANN can take it away
>>>> from you at any time. And your registrar can take it away from you,
>>>> also.
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't matte who was stupid enough to pay a bunch of money for a
>>>> domain. All they bought was the right now rent it. They own nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Just like when you lease an apartment. You own nothing. But you get to
>>>> use the apartment for the length of the lease, as long as you pay your
>>>> rent - and as long as you don't violate your landlord's TOS.
>>>>
>>>>> WS
>>>>>> ==================
>>>>>> Remove the "x" from my email address
>>>>>> Jerry Stuckle
>>>>>> JDS Computer Training Corp.
>>>>>> EMAIL REMOVED
>>>>>> ==================
>>> Seems you could use some training in this, Jerry.
>>>
>>> From http://blogs.polkvoice.com/default.asp?item=593273
>>>
>>> "Make sure you're the "Registrant" of the domain name. Every domain name
>>> has a Registrant, Administrative, Technical, and Billing contact listed
>>> for it. The Registrant is the legal owner of the domain, so you want to
>>> be sure that you (or your company) are the Registrant."
>>>
>> You're accepting legal advice from a blog? ROFLMAO!
>>
>>> From: http://www.domainpeople.com/faqs/reg...me-change.html
>>> Who owns my domain?
>>> When you register a domain name with DomainPeople, the person/company
>>> listed as a Registrant is considered the only legal holder/owner of the
>>> domain name for the duration of the current registration term.
>>>
>> The correct term would be HOLDER - not OWNER.
>>
>>> Only with proxy registration you do not legally own the domain.
>>>
>>> http://www.dynadot.com/resource/article/qa.html?aid=0
>>>
>>> You guy need to do some research before posting wrong information. The
>>> problem with us is that everyone is creating their own laws in their
>>> heads and trying to cram them down the throats of other people.
>>>
>>> I hope you teach more truthlul stuff than this in your computer cl***es.
>>>
>>> WS
>>>
>>>
>> Yep, you need to do some research before posting wrong information. Next
>> time try an attorney - not a blog - for your legal advice.
>>
>
>
> OK, this is from Law Offices of Bernard C. Dietz:
>
> http://www.internet-legal.com/domains.htm
>
> "We represent domain owners and trademark holders in domain disputes."
>
> You need to prove that the Law school you've graduated from provided a
> better education than Mr. Dietz.s law school did.
>
> WS

That's not a legal definition, that is a blurb on the "about" page
of a law firms web site.

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Some beholders are flat-out blind." - Dwight

still me wrote:
> On Sun, 20 May 2007 11:18:54 -0400, "William Stanton"
> <EMAIL REMOVED> wrote:
>
>> So Domain Name Owners ***ociation is a bunch of fools in your opinion?
>>
>> Please stop posting your nonsense, search Google, Yahoo or whatever instead.
>> It's so easy, a caveman can do it.
>
> Jeez, really.
>
> ICANN does have the authority to establish the rules for domain name
> registration. The have done so. The conditions under which they can
> "take back" a domain are clearly delineated. Registrars who act as
> agents of ICANN have no such authority. Their job is to handle
> registrations according to ICANN's rules.
>
> Why anyone would want to use godaddy after reading about what they do
> astounds me. There are plenty of responsible registrars and hosts that
> do it right - why anyone with a clue would use godaddy defies
> explanation.

I havn't seen anything that would give me a reason to change from
GoDaddy. The only ranting I've seen if by the cross posted trolling with
no real substance or proof.

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Some beholders are flat-out blind." - Dwight