[snip]
I often see job ads asking for a PHP expert and was wandering what you
all thought makes a PHP programmer into an expert.

what would you mark out as the key skills that distinguishes an expert
from the ordinary i.e. OOP mastery, regular expressions etc.
[/snip]

First I would consider number of years of programming experience
including how many years a programmer had been using PHP. I would
examine some code and look for organization, documentation, and
consistency. Is the programmer published (articles, books, etc) which
may not count against expertise?

An expert encomp***es so much more than skills. For instance, I could be
an expert on football because I understand history of the game, have
been published, understand game planning and execution, and have played
at the wide receiver position. Only the last 2 items really require
skills.

At 09:55 AM 1/18/2007, Jay Blanchard wrote:

><snip>
>
>First I would consider number of years of programming experience
>including how many years a programmer had been using PHP. I would
>examine some code and look for organization, documentation, and
>consistency. Is the programmer published (articles, books, etc) which
>may not count against expertise?
>
>An expert encomp***es so much more than skills. For instance, I could be
>an expert on football because I understand history of the game, have
>been published, understand game planning and execution, and have played
>at the wide receiver position. Only the last 2 items really require
>skills.
>
>--

Good answer Jay.

Whenever someone refers to me as an "expert" I raise the shields. I've been
humbled too many times, and a remark like that is usually a precursor to
getting bitten by.

A harbour pilot received a fawningl ompliment, from a quite gorgeous
tourist, that he must know where all the deep water channels were. "No
ma'm" he replied, "but I know where the rocks are."

Yep.

Cheers - Miles


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Miles Thompson wrote:

> At 09:55 AM 1/18/2007, Jay Blanchard wrote:
>
> ><snip>
> >
> >First I would consider number of years of programming experience
> >including how many years a programmer had been using PHP. I would
> >examine some code and look for organization, documentation, and
> >consistency. Is the programmer published (articles, books, etc) which
> >may not count against expertise?
> >
> >An expert encomp***es so much more than skills. For instance, I could be
> >an expert on football because I understand history of the game, have
> >been published, understand game planning and execution, and have played
> >at the wide receiver position. Only the last 2 items really require
> >skills.
> >
> >--

I would guess, someone who can write structured code that others can
later understand and maintain.
Above 3 years of experience etc

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hi...

for my $0.02 worth... sometimes it's as simple as someone who can qucikly
grasp the issue(s) and nuances/intracacies of the issues/problems, and who
can then utilize php to solve the problem, as well as craft an elegant
solution that will scale into the future.

peace...


-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Blanchard [private.php?do=newpm&u=]
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Subject: RE: [PHP] What makes a PHP expert


[snip]
I often see job ads asking for a PHP expert and was wandering what you
all thought makes a PHP programmer into an expert.

what would you mark out as the key skills that distinguishes an expert
from the ordinary i.e. OOP mastery, regular expressions etc.
[/snip]

First I would consider number of years of programming experience
including how many years a programmer had been using PHP. I would
examine some code and look for organization, documentation, and
consistency. Is the programmer published (articles, books, etc) which
may not count against expertise?

An expert encomp***es so much more than skills. For instance, I could be
an expert on football because I understand history of the game, have
been published, understand game planning and execution, and have played
at the wide receiver position. Only the last 2 items really require
skills.

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I'd say a "programming expert" is one that can grasp the nuances and
complexities of a problem and break it down coherently and correctly in a
relatively short amount of time (compared to "average").

A "php expert" is one that can break it down and implement a solution that
leverages the "PHP way" of doing things and works with the language for a
truly elegant solution. (The "PHP way" of solving a problem is different
than the "Java way" is different from the "C++ way". Different languages
have different strengths. A language expert knows how to play to the
strengths of the language he's using.)

On Thursday 18 January 2007 9:23 am, bruce wrote:
> hi...
>
> for my $0.02 worth... sometimes it's as simple as someone who can qucikly
> grasp the issue(s) and nuances/intracacies of the issues/problems, and who
> can then utilize php to solve the problem, as well as craft an elegant
> solution that will scale into the future.
>
> peace...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Blanchard [private.php?do=newpm&u=]
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 5:56 AM
> To: h; php-EMAIL REMOVED
> Subject: RE: [PHP] What makes a PHP expert
>
>
> [snip]
> I often see job ads asking for a PHP expert and was wandering what you
> all thought makes a PHP programmer into an expert.
>
> what would you mark out as the key skills that distinguishes an expert
> from the ordinary i.e. OOP mastery, regular expressions etc.
> [/snip]
>
> First I would consider number of years of programming experience
> including how many years a programmer had been using PHP. I would
> examine some code and look for organization, documentation, and
> consistency. Is the programmer published (articles, books, etc) which
> may not count against expertise?
>
> An expert encomp***es so much more than skills. For instance, I could be
> an expert on football because I understand history of the game, have
> been published, understand game planning and execution, and have played
> at the wide receiver position. Only the last 2 items really require
> skills.

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exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea,
which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to
himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession
of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas
Jefferson

larry...

sounds good... however, given that you often have a myriad of different ways to solve a problem, how does on determine which of the solutions, is the 'PHP way'????

unless there are seriously obvious flaws with an approach, you can often have different approaches of solving a problem that pretty much lead to the same result..

peace...



-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Garfield [private.php?do=newpm&u=]
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:29 AM
To: php-EMAIL REMOVED
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I'd say a "programming expert" is one that can grasp the nuances and
complexities of a problem and break it down coherently and correctly in a
relatively short amount of time (compared to "average").

A "php expert" is one that can break it down and implement a solution that
leverages the "PHP way" of doing things and works with the language for a
truly elegant solution. (The "PHP way" of solving a problem is different
than the "Java way" is different from the "C++ way". Different languages
have different strengths. A language expert knows how to play to the
strengths of the language he's using.)

On Thursday 18 January 2007 9:23 am, bruce wrote:
> hi...
>
> for my $0.02 worth... sometimes it's as simple as someone who can qucikly
> grasp the issue(s) and nuances/intracacies of the issues/problems, and who
> can then utilize php to solve the problem, as well as craft an elegant
> solution that will scale into the future.
>
> peace...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Blanchard [private.php?do=newpm&u=]
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 5:56 AM
> To: h; php-EMAIL REMOVED
> Subject: RE: [PHP] What makes a PHP expert
>
>
> [snip]
> I often see job ads asking for a PHP expert and was wandering what you
> all thought makes a PHP programmer into an expert.
>
> what would you mark out as the key skills that distinguishes an expert
> from the ordinary i.e. OOP mastery, regular expressions etc.
> [/snip]
>
> First I would consider number of years of programming experience
> including how many years a programmer had been using PHP. I would
> examine some code and look for organization, documentation, and
> consistency. Is the programmer published (articles, books, etc) which
> may not count against expertise?
>
> An expert encomp***es so much more than skills. For instance, I could be
> an expert on football because I understand history of the game, have
> been published, understand game planning and execution, and have played
> at the wide receiver position. Only the last 2 items really require
> skills.

--
Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42
EMAIL REMOVED ICQ: 6817012

"If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of
exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea,
which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to
himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession
of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas
Jefferson

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